How many times do I have to say it...
Once again: I AM NOT JEFF.
Mr. Turk...
The odds on Jeff BEING C.T. are pretty good.
iMonk | 11.23.05 - 4:39 pm |
No surprise the iMonk would blithely make a charge he has no way of knowing could be true. Bravo, minister.
There are now two so-called Christians who allow this charge to appear on their blogs and who know the truth. Dave Armstrong and now Frank Turk. They both have access to the I.P. numbers of commenters (they both use Haloscan) and if they don't know how to trace an I.P. address to it's general geographical area (centuriOn aka Frank Turk certainly does) go here and paste it in. Armstrong has remained silent for weeks if not months regarding this simple favor to someone who keeps being accused of being another person. Silence from Frank Turk will mark him as well as someone who kind of enjoys seeing lies made about other people.
Then there's this:
Jeff --
c.t. is banned for being a troll. She doesn't play well with others. If you enjoy her, um, "ministry", I have some Joyce Meyers books I can refer you to.
centuri0n | Homepage | 11.23.05 - 1:05 pm |
Joyce Meyers? Why not Adolf Hitler? It has the same effect as a smear (and is in the same Alice-in-Wonderland territory regarding truth). This lame charge wouldn't stand up two seconds if he actually had to defend it, but he knows he doesn't have to defend it because he bans me. Notice he chose a woman for his smear too. Maybe she's his mother.
Just an interesting note: look how the iMonk, currently in the midst of a rather sweaty, contentious exchange with Frank Turk, so easily shifts to the "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" mode. As I said below in another post: until you get banned by these man-fearing, shallow, no-effort preaching, lukewarm fools like Frank Turk and Steve Hays and Phil Johnson - and the iMonk - you aren't saying anything that isn't shallow and isn't man-fearing and isn't lukewarm regarding the Faith...
Now let's see how long Mr. Turk remains silent on the I.P. addresses of myself and Jeff. Jeff has stated he lives in Washington, D.C. I'm in northern California.
Update: Having done some googling on 'Joyce Meyers' to see what Frank Turk was free-associating on in any of my writing I assume it's one of my recent references to 'wealth'. (Which was in the context of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, but that's not a comic book, so Frank was confused.) Well... I probably shouldn't reference War and Wealth like I do without explaining how I am using the two subjects, not that I can know what 'ol Frank is going to use for his smearing at any given time. But I do use War and Wealth as metaphor in an unusual way that I shouldn't in this environment. No, I have no assocation with 'Word Faith' whatever. I don't get into any church level nonsense like that of any kind whether it's get-wealthy preachers or it's devil-channeling Presbyterian ministers sending letters to the White House saying black is white and white is black. I'm a Calvinist in doctrine, and that just means I hold to biblical doctrine.
Update II: And why did Frank Turk put "ministry" in quote marks as if I've ever said this blog is a "ministry"? Why? Because he lies like babies regurgitate. It was part and parcel of his smear-theme. He, though, is just a bit more unconscious to his lying than most. Actually he's about par for the course for his type of self-satisfied, pillar-of-the-church churchman...
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Because I always sense Frank Turk is somewhat vulnerable to taking negative feedback more hard or more seriously than others (whether I'm right on that or not) I always feel I should add a note...like this:
Don't take any of this stuff too seriously, Frank.
Read the Bible complete. That gets to the heart of everything...
In what I wrote above (about your relationship to the Bible and all that) I, of course, could be totally wrong. I entertain that possibility. Part of my genius...
You have a point. Something about easy smearing and propaganda though that needs to be countered vigorously. Frank Turk knows most of his audience wouldn't know who Joyce Meyers is (I assume since I didn't know who she was) and he also knows if he makes a reference to her regarding me that his dumb audience will google and say (not that they care, but some might): "Ahh, that's what's going on there..." or some similar brilliant conclusion.
Turk doesn't know how dishonest this kind of thing is. It's not only lying, it's a deep kind of lying. When you are capable of such a thing God can't trust you. God not only hates liars, but when you do it He can't trust you...
He can't trust me either when I lie...
Also, Jeff, notice how Frank Turk, who doesn't know you from Adam, so easily just shuns you and basically tells you to 'go away'. That unconscious behaviour is engaged in by a person who is acting unter the control of vanity and worldly pride purely.
The very first thing I found when I entered this mainstream Christian realm here on the internet was inability of these mainstream church Christians to just talk. To just engage people in a way that shows even a modicum of development in life. They are all undeveloped and shallow and can't just talk to people. They can only talk to 'their own kind', which they sense instinctively.
It's also an I.Q. issue as well. I mean, just not being able to read a situation or know human nature and what not. Also, the absolute inability to put yourself in another person's shoes.
I can't tell you how many times I went to some Christian forum and posted something and was totally - TOTALLY - ignored. I mean not a single word from ANYbody on the forum. That is just retarded social behaviour.
They'll now say I'm guilty of all the above, but that fact is I talk to people. They freak out because I convict them in various ways they can't defend themselves against, but certainly when I first encounter them or vice-versa I'm the active 'talker'. I'm approaching them, starting conversions. They are the social retards who can't talk and who freak out at the slightest thing and who then look for anything - ANYthing - to justify 'getting rid of' you. Then after-the-fact they say "bad language" or something similar, but the fact is they couldn't talk from the first moment.
They instinctively know when a non-man-fearing, non-lukewarm Christian is in their presence and it convicts them... It is uncomfortable for them. They have to get out of the presence of it...
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