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11.23.2005

Only the oceanic Word of God can cure shallowness



Yes, only the oceanic Word of God can cure shallowness...

The Bible doesn't give up its influence and mysteries and understanding promiscuously. One thing that happens to scholars and readers of the Bible who take a similar intellectual approach is they will think they've 'gotten the measure' of the Great Book when they've scanned each part to some extent (the one's who actually do this), then they fall into the trap of thinking that is all there is in the Bible.

The Bible is not a book like any other book one can hold and read. The Bible contains the living 'oracles' of God. (Calvin states somewhere in his commentaries that he prefers to use the word 'oracles' of God rather than merely 'word' of God because the Bible contains words that are so much more than mere words. It contains living language. The oracles of God Himself.)

But one can come to a point where the Bible seems a stale book. Like something you've 'covered' already. Something - though you wouldn't put it like this to yourself - that has nothing more to give you. So you think it's OK to just read theology now. You've 'got' the Bible down. But that is a vain mistake. The Bible is alive and always has more to deliver. You, though, have to put effort (zeal) into getting more of what it delivers.

And you have to realize that you can't filter it through vanity and worldly pride and self-will. You have to be passive to it. Conquer it, yes, but set aside 'what you know' when you go to the Bible anew. What you know is not all that is there.

Really it comes down to this: do you see the Bible as being an influence that is above you, or do you see it as something that your intellect has focused on and measured and weighed and put in its place? Do you continually think of commentaries you've read when you read a passage? Or do you take in what you read in the Bible as if seeing it for the first time? Do you respect the Bible as something that is above you? Your past understanding won't go away. Foundational biblical doctrine once found doesn't change either. That's not the subject here.

The Bible will be stale the more you read it complete, but that is because it requires more effort the more you read it. It requires more focus and meditating and pondering on each part of it, and more thinking in terms of the whole of it. It requires engaging it that involves more time and effort. The Bible is not stale when you pause over a verse and passage and chapter and meditate on it. Draw it into mind away from the page...

7 Comments:

Blogger Jeff said...

"The Bible is not stale when you pause over a verse and passage and chapter and meditate on it. Draw it into mind away from the page."

I was just doing this today with Romans Chapter 10. And then I heard a radio call in show by a...well, suffice it to say he's a high official in the Beast. And the caller said, What should I do to learn Christ's teaching? And the response was, Read the Bible for yourself. I'd recommend that you read the Letters of St. Paul, especially his Letter to the Romans. And just try to understand what he says by slowly reading it in openness to God.

Okay, okay, I'm ready for flying missiles...

November 23, 2005 at 10:52 PM  
Blogger c.t. said...

You're really hamstringing my whole operation by being nice to me. I thrive on people kicking, screaming, and throwing things at me.

Here's my take on you (and I am a genius): I suspect like most RCs you havn't really ever come to the Bible and read it complete (i.e. read it in a way to really see what is going on there, and that includes the fact that you havn't gotten to a point in your life where, for whatever reason, you've had a motivation to do that). And what I also mean by that is I sense a blithe-personality behind your posts regarding the seriousness of the Faith and the Word of God and the general terror of the situation regarding heaven and hell.

You have positive - and rare - aspects to your personality and all that...but-

What am I saying?

The most important thing is regeneration by the Word and the Spirit. If you have that then you're able to see the truth and accept the truth. RC doctrine is divorced from the truth (and so is liberal Protestant and neo-orthodox 'Reformed' and etc., etc., etc.). So, you're divorced from the truth. And you don't seem to think it's such a big deal.

On another subject: your gallant defense of me here and elsewhere is awkward because what I do is not based on being accepted. I challenge the fact that the world is made part and parcel of mainstream Christianity, and I challenge the fact that man-fearing is valued more highly than the fear of God in mainstream Christian environments. They have no defense against this (most of them don't even understand it) but they do sense they are being shown up, and Reformed types - especially apologist types - are not used to that feeling of being shown up and being told they are off-the-mark regarding something having to do with the faith and it being true. It leaves them somewhat stunned and confused and I give them no line of retreat, so they become like the people they are usually debating and just 'say anything'. I.e. suddenly words don't have to mean much for them. But all that put together makes them feel very uneasy and unsure about themselves and what they are doing. So I will never - never - be 'accepted' by the mainstream. I can only give them shocks. I would be failing if they weren't banning me...

November 24, 2005 at 12:04 AM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"And what I also mean by that is I sense a blithe-personality behind your posts regarding the seriousness of the Faith and the Word of God and the general terror of the situation regarding heaven and hell."

I think that may be true to some extent. I went through a period in which I was an apostate--about eighteen years. What brought me back was in large measure the fear of Hell. It's funny, because I had always told people in my younger days that it was love of God and not fear of Hell that motivated me. I kind of sneered at that sort of "crude" fear as a motivation. Well, God saw fit to make precisely THAT one of the main instrumentalities of my submission to His Will.

Part of what you sense may be just rhetoric or the tone that I adopt here. But there may be some truth in your analysis and, since it comes from someone I respect, I will take it seriously. I've always thought and always said that 99% of what you say is said out of Love (which is not the same as Niceness.) The 1% that isn't you catch yourself on before anyone else does.

I'll do another reply on the rest of your comment.

November 25, 2005 at 10:28 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"You're really hamstringing my whole operation by being nice to me. I thrive on people kicking, screaming, and throwing things at me. . . . your gallant defense of me here and elsewhere is awkward because what I do is not based on being accepted."

Sigh. Yes, sometimes I've worried a bit about that. Is it really that bad, though? I'm afraid that my "gallant defense" makes little more impression on them than you do. And of course, I do it because *I* think, whatever you say, that people are better off in spiritual AND worldly terms if they listen to you. They're missing something rare and wonderful if they don't. It's not just because you're some woman and men should be more chivalrous or something.

Could it be, though, that I'm making you a bit self-conscious and that's what's making it hard for you? That my civilized veneer is making you feel you have to be on your best behavior with everyone? Oh, I hope not. Then again, I do sense that you're actually a bit of a sweetheart and that the Yelling is a Job and a Commission for the most part, with a dash of frustration thrown in.

So, what would you have me do, Caroline, my friend? Would you prefer that I disappear entirely? I will if you ask me to. (Or, I'll try: you're awfully addictive!)

Shall I just limit my comments to once a week or something?

You know what's funny? You said on Dave's blog that I would soon reach my limit with you. I scoffed. Perhaps you were right except you had it exactly backward: YOU were going to reach your limits with ME! Life is full of surprises, isn't it?

Don't worry in any case; really, just tell me what you want. I gratefully accept your compliments and take your warning to heart. And I'll withdraw or whatever you'd prefer without hurt or objection if that's what you really want. That would be a great boast for you to make anyway: "I only banned one person from my blog in my entire life--and that was for being too NICE!" Hilarious and very Caroline!

PS Did you notice that your Centurion DID testify that we were not the same...and that the Monk person made exactly the reply I predicted? Apparently you're my paymaster; so, let me remind you that I haven't seen a check in quite a while!

Centurion also said you were banned because he didn't like your language on a family blog--and promptly threatened to ban me if I defended you. I guess even my mild words would be too much for the sensitive kiddies!

November 25, 2005 at 10:50 PM  
Blogger c.t. said...

People in the Village of Morality (centuriOn) value 'acceptable language' over truth. That's one of the reasons they are in the Village of Morality and not on the Way.

As I've said: part of man-fearing is the fear of language. You can choose to not use fourletterword language and still NOT fear language, but you can't care if others use fourletterword language. You just can't. You miss everything. Not just the bad language but influences that are currently above and beyond you. When you're on the Way there will be times when you have to engage things that you won't understand or that will test your independence of mind by having a 'front' designed to put off the moralisers.

On your question about going away or staying or whatever: just be yourself. That's the best thing. It's best when everybody is their self and let the chips fall where they may. I'd never ask anybody to go away. If I had one visitor or 20,000.

On what I wrote about centuriOn brushing you off. Using Bunyan's language to see these types it's not surprising that they act that way. It's common for people in the Village of Morality to be very exacting who they deem to be worth hanging around in their village. And it's also not surprising they are easy to upset. The same with the Slough of Despond despondents. They get annoyed if their whining is not validated by all who are around them...

November 25, 2005 at 11:58 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

"On your question about going away or staying or whatever: just be yourself."

Okey dokey. But do me a favor. Don't let me become a pest to you. If you get sick of it, just express a preference. No need to command.

I'd hate to see you reduced to some ruse like starting a new blog just to get your rep back in a place where I won't be able to find you and mess it all up. I'd rather just read you quietly and not interfere. If you take off into the blue, how will I manage my "C. T." jones? That really WOULD be cruel... ;-)

November 26, 2005 at 1:03 AM  
Blogger c.t. said...

Really, the only reason I havn't hammered you is you don't expose enough of your 'off-the-markness'.

In your pleasant approach you don't talk about your beliefs or similar things.

Perhaps as a Roman Catholic you are just intrigued at seeing me go after other Protestants...

November 26, 2005 at 3:51 AM  

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