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10.23.2005

It's been charged that my listening to Palestrina implicates me in Beast worship...


Protestants, let us examine the Ordinary (standard lyrics, if you will) of your average Renaissance mass:

Kyrie eleison
(Lord have mercy)

Chiste eleison
(Christ have mercy)

Kyrie eleison
(Lord have mercy)


Protestants, we have survived the first section of the average mass. I see no Beast doctrine in the above. Let us proceed on, trepidatiously...

Gloria in excelsis Deo. Et in terra pax
(Glory in the highest to God. And on earth peace)

hominibus bonae voluntatis. Laudamus te. Benedicimus te.
(to men of good will. We praise thee. We bless thee.)

Adoramus te. Glorificamus te. Gratias agimus tibi
(We worship thee. We glorify thee. Thanks we give to thee)

propter magnam gloriam tuam. Domine Deus, Rex coelestis,
(because of great glory thy. Lord God, King of heaven,)

Deus Pater omnipotens. Domine Fili unigenite, Jesu Christe.
(God Father almighty. Lord Son only begotten, Jesus Christ.)

Domine Deus, Agnus Dei, Filius Patris.
(Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of Father.)

Qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis.
(Who take away sins of world, have mercy on us.)

Qui tollis peccata mundi, suscipe deprecationem nostram.
(Who take away sins of world, receive supplication our.)

Qui sedes ad dexteram Patris, miserere nobis.
(Who sit at right hand of Father, have mercy on us.)

Quoniam tu solus sanctus. Tu solus Dominus.
(For thou alone holy. Thou alone Lord.)

Tu solus altisimus, Jesu Christe.
(Thou alone most high, Jesus Christ.)

Cum Sancto Spiritu in gloria Dei Patris. Amen.
(With Holy Spirit in glory of God Father. Amen.)


I think we've come through that section unslimed by the Beast, eh? Now, for the third section, the Credo. I'm not going to print it all out because it is basically the Apostles' Creed, and I think we can all agree that Protestants have no problem with the Apostles' Creed. Why? Because it is biblical doctrine, that's why.

Now, the fourth section of the average mass:

Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus,
(Holy, Holy, Holy,)

Dominus Deus Sabaoth.
(Lord God of Hosts.)

Pleni sunt coeli et terra gloria tua.
(Full are heaven and earth of glory thy.)

Hosanna in excelsis.
(Hosanna in highest.)


OK! Wipe the sweat off your brow, we've come through that one clean. I don't feel Beast-like yet! I hope it doesn't get Beast-promoting in the final sections (and I should say that the fifth section of the average mass is sometimes broken up into two). Let's continue:

Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini.
(Blessed who comes in name of Lord.)

Hosanna in excelsis.
(Hossana in highest.)


The Latin is troubling, Protestants, but it's not saying anything Beastish. Let's now go to the final section:

Agnus Dei, qui tolis peccata mundi,
(Lamb of God, who take away sins of world,)

miserere nobis.
(have mercy on us.)

Agnus Dei, qui tolis peccata mundi,
(Lamb of God, who take away sins of world,)

dona nobis pacem.
(grant us peace.)


Yes, I think Protestants can listen to these words without entering into compromise with the Beast or representatives of the Beast. Enjoy Palestrina, and Victoria, and Byrd, and Tallis, and Dufay, and Josquin...and give the glory of their inspiration and talent to compose such beautiful music to God's common grace which he showers on and in even professed atheist composers!

As I wrote elsewhere: you don't have to worship Zeus and Athena to appreciate and learn from the Iliad and the Odyssey. Neither do you have to engage in ancient Greek ritual and religion to appreciate the modal harmonies they bequeathed to the composers of Renaissance mass... Nor do you have to consider that Bach's music, and all composers who were subsequently influenced by his music (especially his championing of a certain type of tuning in his Well-Tempered Clavier) was created by a Lutheran. No, it's not 'Lutheran' music. Nor do you have to consider the doctrine and ritual of Lutheran masses when you enjoy Bach's music as absolute music... OK? Have we cleared that up? (I speak to our philistine friends at a certain weblog.) OK.

3 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So the Church that created Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy, Lord have mercy worships the Beast? How can a Church secretly manage to hide its' affiliation to the devil and still appear Christian?

That would be some trick to pull off.

October 23, 2005 at 10:56 PM  
Blogger c.t. said...

My comments over at D.A.'s blog over the years now have been worse than you may suspect. I'm anti-Catholic times infinity. Simply because there are two kingdoms: the Kingdom of Satan and the Kingdom of God. The Roman Catholic church keeps people very comfortably in the Kingdom of Satan.

To anonymous above: music is not doctrine (and the Ordinary of Renaissance mass is not doctrinally unique to the RC church). The Roman Catholic church is of the devil because it worships false idols, it worships the creation in place of the Creator, it places man between God and man, it places its tradition on an equal status as the Word of God, it pushes doctrine that is not biblical, it exalts baptismal regeneration (sacramentalism) and clericalism to suppress the Word and the Spirit and their effectual work, it engages in tyranny when it gains the upper hand politically, it persecutes Christians when it gets the upper hand, it calls a man 'Holy Father' directly against the command of Scripture, on and on and on... Its ministers are ministers of the devil and they demonstrate it in word and deed...

October 23, 2005 at 11:57 PM  
Blogger c.t. said...

The thing is: hurt feeling or hurting feelings, real or imaginary or whatever, it's all nothing compared to waking up to your current situation.

Some people are hardened, reprobate, willfully and joyously hellbound. They want to be in hell.

Some people have experienced regeneration by the Word and Spirit and know which way is up.

Some people live in a nebulous inbetween realm with varying degrees of allegiance to and valuation for the things that pertain to God and the things that petain to this world. These people may be religious and may self-identify as Christian or they may not, but... They are still in the Kingdom of Satan.

Only the regenerate people are in the Kingdom of God.

So we in the regenerate group, who value the Word of God as authority and value the things that pertain to God more than the things that pertain to this world have to get the message to the rest of you (the probable reprobates, because even a seeming reprobate can be regenerated by God, we can't see if they are truly reprobate, as-well-as the people who live in the nebulous realm).

The people who live in the nebulous inbetween realm are interesting in that they are the ones most people wonder about regarding hell. The Bible is not clear (and hence is intentionally not clear) on what happens to the unregenerate when they die. They go to Hades, yet hell is something one is judged to after the Second Coming of Jesus, so... Prior to that, the nebulous folks are even in a - to us who take the Bible as authority - nebulous state regarding heaven and hell. They may recur. Not reincarnate, but be still dead in sin in their time until God regenerates them, if He chooses to.

Whatever the case, they need to be given the message as well. Calvinists evangelize the most confidently because we know we don't have to beg anybody to come to God, we just have to give them the hardcore truth and if God makes that seed grow then so be it. We can't make the seed grow.

October 24, 2005 at 7:37 PM  

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