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3 Big Features of our Fallen Nature



Violence and/or Self-Pity

(Usually in that order as events play out.)


Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do those features relate to our `sleep`, a word which appears throughout the New Testament often together with the idea that we need to `awake`. Would we still be subject to our Fallen Nature if were awake.

July 10, 2012 at 5:42 PM  
Blogger c.t. said...

To awaken we need something new inside us. A new heart. An awakened conscience. These are given by regeneration. But once regenerated we still have to deal with our fallen nature. That's why progressive sanctification involves *mortifying* our old nature, and *cultivating* our new nature.

Those three features of our fallen nature I listed tend to be very foundational, and very active. Our conscience begins to alert us to self-justifying. Resentment is a difficult one because it is so glorified in the world. We don't even know that resentment is not a noble emotion. It is portrayed as the most noble emotion there is. It is really for losers. In fact we generally don't even know that emotions can be noble or ignoble. Positive or negative. So we have to learn that, and I believe once regenerated we seek such knowledge. Violence decreases, certainly active violence, as conscience awakens and resentment is seen for what it is. Self-pity is also an indulgence like violence and decreases as it's source - resentment - is seen for what it is.

July 10, 2012 at 9:26 PM  
Anonymous monax said...

I wonder if it might not be Biblically proper to consider the twisted forces of lust and pride as most foundational to our fallen nature, as the duel wellsprings of the flesh by which all other sins are but variations of. [consider 1 John 2:16]

These ignoble features, emotions, attitudes and actions have as their source, if you will—a double helix structure like that of DNA. The twisted backbone which serves to encode our flesh is none other than base lust and abject pride.

July 17, 2012 at 8:41 AM  
Anonymous monax said...

don’t know, ct, if you’ll find my comments i just left on your post of 8.06.2007. but fwiw, here’s the link: Meredith G. Kline and C. S. Lewis

July 17, 2012 at 8:53 AM  
Blogger c.t. said...

Yes, if we are looking at foundational features, pride, vanity, self-will...; sleep would be another.

July 17, 2012 at 7:26 PM  
Blogger c.t. said...

I responded to your comment on that Kline post. On a line of thought (you brought up where God is Heaven is), if you are not familiar with this person's blog you might find it interesting:


He's an astronomer, a Ph.D. He is very much orthodox Reformed in his understanding and belief. And for where God is see this post, for instance:


Here's an excerpt:

"The Absolute Standard of Rest
You might think it implausible for the immense visible universe to revolve about a tiny fixed earth. This, however, presumes the materialist error that the visible world is all that exists. Christians know better. God’s creation is much larger, encompassing also the vast, spatial heaven where God and His angels reside (see my post Cosmology and Heaven). The ultimate focal point of the entire creation is God's heavenly Throne. Would it not be most fitting for God to designate this--the dwelling place of the Absolute--as the ultimate standard of absolute rest?

The link between the earth and God's throne will become even more obvious in the future, after the earth is renewed. Then God's dwelling place shall descend from heaven to be with man (Rev.21:1-4), and the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be established on the earth itself (Rev.22:1-5).

The universe in its fullest sense is therefore neither helio-centric nor geo-centric but, rather, Christo-centric."

- John Byl, Ph.D. (astronomy)
Professor emeritus
Trinity Western University

July 17, 2012 at 7:51 PM  
Anonymous monax said...

O, I like it! Thanks for pointing me to him.

July 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM  
Blogger c.t. said...

He's written books. You can find them on Amazon. I haven't bought any yet, but they look interesting.

July 18, 2012 at 8:27 PM  
Blogger c.t. said...

I left another comment over at the other post re Meredith Kline and C. S. Lewis. I recommend a book by Kline over there.

July 18, 2012 at 8:45 PM  

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