The magisterium sifts options...

The voice of establishment christianity:

What is the right Biblical thing to do with these people [he is referring to me] (they are often infuriating and like to dog message boards and pester a lot of people).

Do you ignore them and hope they go away or continue dialogue with them, or cast them off and refuse to talk to them? They are so entrenched, do you try to win them over or try to just limit their exposure.

(Notice the phrase 'cast them off.' They instinctively speak as the Beast church speaks.)

You do what establishment Christians always do: you ignore us because you have every reason to fear any Christian who fears only God; why? because we expose you: when you exalt moralism, formalism, ritualism, and clericalism over the Word and the Spirit you are exalting the devil over the Word and the Spirit; or, your other choice, you get enough state power to burn us at the stake (Beast style, because the Beast is not only Roman Catholic now, pilgrims, the Beast is protestant as much as Roman Catholic). Right now the former is really your only practical option.

Save yourselves, Beast-pilgrims. At all costs, avoid Christians who fear only God. We - we prophets, priests, and kings, with our King, are the death of you. Soon. (It can be a good death, though, if it happens now while you are still in the flesh. Start by humbling yourselves to the whole and pure Word of God. Move close to God and He will move close to you. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Hearing, though, when it is constantly filtered through vanity, worldly pride, and self-will, and when it is accompanied by man-centered demands that Scripture be what you demand it to be, is not hearing...)

To hell with the world

Who cares about the world? The world knows enough to know which way is up. If God has set up their environment in such a way that if they find the truth they're immediately threatened with having their head cut off, or if Christian missionaries can't go into their domain without being threatened with being set on fire then to hell with them. Jesus didn't say: "Preach the word to those who will cut your heads off and light you on fire and things like that!" He said, shake the dust off your feet.

The world has been made known of the Gospel. The world has been convicted a thousand times over.

We're pilgrims in this world. We have to go amidst the world [though, now,] like walking through a neighborhood filled with unchained, unfenced pit-bulls [because the devil has been unbound, i.e. we are now at the end]. "Nice dog." I say, to hell with the pit-bull neighborhoods [not out of delinquency to evangelize them, they have been evangelized]. If God allows people to live in such places, then to hell with them. They hate God. If any among them don't they'll either get out or be martyred, so be it. God doesn't call for His elect to be martyred for devil-worshipers.

Note: words added in brackets to clarify the original hastily written paragraph.

Update: Some reactions to this post can be found here:
http://www.puritanboard.com/showthread.php?t=16734

Notice how they have to misread it to kneejerk their desired take on it. I said, the work of evangelization has been done in the world (and oh, yes it has, don't give me your little maps of 'unreached areas'...those so-called 'unreached areas' have little kids wearing Nike shirts and who mock Christian Americans with a sophistication that impresses the devil himself). Jesus said: shake the dust off your feet.

This is the end. The world has been evangelized. Tell the world now to go to hell. If anything, the reverse psychology of it will do the trick better than the current politically-correct, multicultural worship and style - begging for the Gospel - that is going on.

And notice I'm referring specifically to 'the world' in the post. The world has been convicted by the Gospel a thousand times over. Time to shake the dust off your feet. If God allows someone to be born into such an area that has refused the truth to such an extent as the world has done so then He does it for a reason.

And, no, God doesn't say martyr yourself for devil-worshipers. He says take care not to even touch their garment so as not to be spotted by them.

Evangelizing is EASY. Why? Because God does it. You give fallen man the message and God does the rest. In your vanity, establishment christianity, you think YOU do the work. (At this point you're too lukewarm and fearful to even preach the message boldly in fear of 'insulting' or 'showing disrespect' to the 'people of the earth', in all their "nobility" and the "dignity and nobility" of their wonderful cultures). Well, the world has received the message. A thousand times over. To hell with the world.

Update II: Amid responses like this ("This person is just clearly afraid of going into Yemen and Somalia and proclaim the Gospel! Anybody download the new Firfox 2, by the way? My video card is blinky now, any suggestions?") - amid that (and I think some of them actually still agree with what I wrote, if with their necessary caveats) - this guy sees some of what I was hastily trying to say:

We are indeed to take the gospel to every creature and while we must be earnest in our proclomation, I think that there is a time in which we do wipe the dust from our sandals and keep our pearls in our hand, rather than casting them before the swine.

God does all things for all His glory, including damning those who die in unbelief. I think there is a manner in which the saints of God can rejoice in the fact that God is glorified in damning His enemies and consequently the enemies of His church. Even those saints that were led like lambs to the slaughter are spoken of in the book of Revelation as saying; " How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"

I think then then the godly man can indeed be filled with a strong indignation and a holy wrath against those that trample and defile the holy things of God without being moved to hate those that are in need of the saving grace of God. Such righteous indignation never loses sight of the fact that we ourselves our debtors to the grace of God and but for God's gracious dealings with us we would be as one of them.

Example of the dumbing down of Christians by the devil

On the PuritanBoard, a place where you can never cease to find every manner of establishment church comedy (and tragedy) one of the anti-traditional text, anti-KJV scholars made this statement:

In Acts we read of Paul fetching a compass around an island (Malta I think)..but the campus [sic] had not yet been invented.

Here is the verse in the KJV:

Acts 28:13 And from thence we fetched a compass, and came to Rhegium: and after one day the south wind blew, and we came the next day to Puteoli:

This person actually thinks 'compass' in that verse refers to a thing with a magnetized needle and so on. (For the record: Fetched A Compass - Made a circuit; wandered up and down. Or just the word 'compass' alone: To make a circuit of; circle:)

This is basically what God's elect are up against on the manuscripts issue. The devil and his clerics have so successfully dumbed down Christendom on this subject that you find a person writing something like the above, and doing it in full confidence that he is 'schooling' the 'dumb KJVers.'

All you liberal theologians...

It doesn't matter what you call yourself; liberal theologians have always self-identified as various kinds of non-liberal labels, but they always give themselves away. Do you champion and push the devil's and the Vatican's manuscripts? Yes? You're a liberal theologian. Oh, but you say you hold to the five solas and doctrines of grace? So what, on the most foundational thing you undermine all that by championing and pushing the devil's and the pope's manuscripts. Because, as a good liberal theologian, you know how real damage is done to God's plan. When you defile the Word of God itself you do real damage to God's plan. But it only gets you perhaps a little more time before your ultimate fate. You can annoy God's plan, but you can't defeat God's plan.

7 theology books I've actually read cover to cover

1. Holy Bible, AV1611

2. Concise Theology - J. I. Packer

3. Manual of Christian Doctrine - Louis Berkhof

4. Institutes of the Christian Religion (abridged) - John Calvin

5. Marrow of Theology - William Ames

6. Biblical Theology - Geerhardus Vos

7. Pilgrim's Progress - John Bunyan

Cover to cover reading of course is a relative thing. You can read a book cover to cover and get as much from it as if you'd skimmed it, or whatever. But there IS also something about starting a project and finishing said project. There is a force that builds within the effort, and reading a book cover to cover, especially one that doesn't mechanically draw your attention to it (like a swift-moving genre novel or bestseller or whatever, i.e. one that actually extends your limits of attention and understanding) is a classic example of a well-defined project with a beginning, middle, and end.

Most everyone of course reads theological books as one would read a reference book, which is a practical approach for most kinds of theological learning. The "So what did Calvin say about this in his Institutes...?" type of scrounging around. You go through a thousand sources doing that (especially when you have access to the internet).

Often you can learn more from short articles than from full-blown massive books too. In the various subjects of theology.

And reading a book just once is not exactly getting the most from it, if it has anything to offer to begin with. It goes without saying. Yet with theology it often is like reading the same book over and over when you just go from a more beginner type work to a little more intermediate to more advanced. So reading Packer's Concise Theology once, then reading Berkhof's Manual of Christian Doctrine is really like reading the same book twice in this sense.

Ultimately notes and lists have to be made or nothing is kept.

With the Berkhof book I went through all the questions he formulated at the end of each of the chapters and wrote out the answers to each one. 600 or so questions.

I regret not yet reading Calvin's Institutes in a dedicated, cover-to-cover effort (though obviously I don't yet regret it enough to start doing it right now). For massive tomes like that I will often read an abridgement first just to have something. It's better than having read the first 250 pages of a thousand page book before abandoning the effort. I.e., having a complete sample of the whole book is better than having an abandoned effort where you only got the beginning few hundred pages. But with Calvin's book I've mined it in a reference book way, and also read complete chapters from it. That's different though.

I've never read Part Two of the Pilgrim's Progress. It's like the way some purists regard Book 2 of Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier -- like it doesn't even exist. Like it shouldn't exist. Book 1 is the pure, complete work. Same with Pilgrim's Progress. At least that's how I see it until I actually summon up the energy and resolve to read Part 2, if ever...

The Holy Sword

The Holy Sword



The Word of God must be engrafted into your heart.

The Authorized Version 1611 is the whole and pure Word of God in English.

A prophet, priest, and king engages and absorbs it complete, Genesis through Revelation, once, three times, seven times.

Seven dedicated complete readings.

With zeal. Zeal is the portion of your effort you dedicate to God, and God rewards your effort because of it. High valuation, aim (the number seven) and zeal make the difference. Desultory, scattered, incomplete readings increase no force...for understanding or anything else.

Establishment Christianity wants you playing church and staying away from the Word of God.

Establishment Christianity wants you fearing man and not fearing God.

God has His remnant. His remnant fear only God and value the whole and pure Word of God and the sound doctrine that comes from it; and God's remnant have desire for the practice of true, royal godliness - not moralism - that derives from contact with the Word of God; and God's own, with true liberty, engage in this, from a heart only regenerated by the Word and the Holy Spirit.

There are two kingdoms: the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan. If you're not in one you're in the other. No in between. No opting out. And it's between you and Jesus Christ. No other mediator. No church, no man, no tradition of man, no group or corporate entity. Just you and Jesus Christ. The Spirit of Christ connects you to the Kingdom of Christ. Fear God only, engraft His Word into your heart, practice true godliness, in the liberty of Christ, and assault heaven against all men and devils.

Why Michael Metzler had his run-in with the Pyromaniacs

Michael Metzler recently got the same treatment from the TeamPyro blog that I've received in the past. Let me explain for Michael just what is at play...

Michael, whether he knows it or not, is awakened to spiritual warfare with the establishment church. Though Michael, unlike me, would protest and say he is a church goer and all that, which I think he has stated he is, he has still seen the devil in the establishment church (in his case, the cult leader in Moscow, Idaho), and rather than succumb to it and play along, as the vast majority within the domain of the establishment church does, he confronted it and left its domain.

So now as he saunters over to the TeamPyro blog, the members of that blog, all Village of Morality, establishment church denizens to the extreme, can literally feel him as he approaches.

Michael is still somewhat innocent regarding his new status. He thinks there should be no particular conflict or friction between him and other Christians who seem to be OK men and women. Yet -- there it is. Because the establishment church protects itself, in all its various parts. You confront one of its leaders, and you have confronted all its leaders. And Michael really only has to say 'hi.' That's all it takes. Because he is the enemy no matter what he says, and his very presence there is a threat and an assault.

Notice that there is nothing leaders of establishment Christianity can do that is out-of-bounds? The biggest of the churches within the establishment church has an entire class of clerics who prey upon and molest children, and...ultimately it's just fine with the members of the church. Basically, ultimately, it's always OK with them. The same in the protestant establishment church. The pastor in question is even tainted to a degree with a child molestation scandal within his church. It's 'ok' not only with his church members, but it's just sort of 'ok' with establishment church types like the owner of the TeamPyro blog and his main contributors. No big. And, don't come over here saying anything about a church leader! You will be forthwith banned. Which Michael was.

In the establishment church it is all about the fear of man. The fear of man is stronger than the fear of God. The Bible tells you to fear God, and fear God only.

Once you've awakened and engaged in spiritual battle with leaders or other elements of the establishment church you are marked (once you've demonstrated you are more inclined to fear God than to fear man you are marked). Whether you know it or not, and whether you like it or not. I rather like it myself.

Note: when you get banned from such a blog or site as TeamPyro the accusation against you is always that you've used bad language or something similar. In my case, I confronted them on various doctrinal issues, and only when I found my posts deleted did I respond with the 'bad language.' So, then they dishonestly give the impression forever afterwards (usually when they are justifying the banning of some recent contributor) that you were banned for bad language. I.e. they goad you into responding like that when they simply, unannounced, delete something you've written. But it was the confrontation on the doctrinal issues that was the reason for the banning and deletions in the first place, not the subsequent 'bad language' that followed when one finds one's writing has been unceremoniously sent to the memory hole. (And yes I'm guilty of having a non-lukewarm, and salty tongue, especially when confronting these types...) But that is just par for the course behaviour of the Village of Morality (establishment Christianity).

Note: Establishment Christianity is not biblical. It is what John Bunyan termed the Village of Morality (and also Vanity Fair, perhaps an innocent-sounding name to our ears, but it is where Christian and Faithful were chained and Faithful was burned at the stake)... It is aberrant [deviating from the proper or expected course]. It is not the Way. Members of it despise Christians who are on the Way, and who confront the devil when they see the devil.

The antithesis of establishment Christianity is God's remnant. Always a blessed minority...marked by a high valuation for the Word of God and the recognition of the effectual work of the Word and the Spirit in regeneration, a valuation for the practical level of the faith, and an inclination to fear only God and not man.

Divine Authority

We may know the Scripture to be the Word of God by its miraculous preservation in all ages. The holy Scriptures are the richest jewel that Christ has left us; and the church of God has so kept these public records of heaven, that they have not been lost. The Word of God has never wanted enemies to oppose, and, if possible, to extirpate it. They have given out a law concerning Scripture, as Pharaoh did the midwives, concerning the Hebrew women’s children, to strangle it in the birth; but God has preserved this blessed Book inviolable to this day. The devil and his agents have been blowing at Scripture light, but could never blow it out; a clear sign that it was lighted from heaven. Nor has the church of God, in all revolutions and changes, kept the Scripture that it should not be lost only, but that it should not be depraved. The letter of Scripture has been preserved, without any corruption, in the original tongue. The Scriptures were not corrupted before Christ's time, for then Christ would not have sent the Jews to them. He said, 'Search the Scriptures.' He knew these sacred springs were not muddied with human fancies.

- Thomas Watson, A Body of Divinity

Yes, God's remnant are rather passionate when it comes to the Word of God

I really don't like my language on the Plain Path
Puritan blog. The emotions, though, that get stirred up are the exact same emotions that get stirred up when one reads about people being murdered and burned and tortured by the establishment church back in history (Roman Catholic), for instance regarding the French Protestants or the Waldensians or the Dutch Calvinists and all that. Because the manuscripts issue is one of the defining divides between remnant Christianity and establishment Christianity. Regeneration too.

The above is me from an email. It's interesting that the most hardcore on the manscripts issue tend to be baptist (self-identified or that by default with regard to their position on sacramentalism and clericalism and the various man-fearing traditions of man in the establishment church and so on), and derived from the boldest of the Reformation in terms of throwing off all the chains of the establishment church of that day: the Roman Catholic Beast. This is just to point out that the same forces at work in the Reformation are at work today. The establishment church of today (still Roman Catholic but joined by mainstream Protestant) isn't burning Christians, but it certainly is pushing the corrupt manuscripts and the deadly versions based on them like a devil hanging around schools giving poison to children.

Remnant Christians throughout history have walked into the face of persecution and death to protect and defend the traditional text of the Word of God. Remnant Christians today can see the incredible importance of continuing to defend and protect the tradtional text - the whole and pure Word of God - from all the forces that would have it disappear, in various ways. This is a regeneration issue. Establishment Christians who mock those of us who value the whole and pure Word of God have hearts of stone. They aren't capable of even beginning to discern what they are doing or what is at stake. That some are active in promoting the corrupt manuscripts and versions and active in attempting to make the traditional text go away shows, though, that they are more than just currently unregenerate: they are willfully in the camp of the devil. God comes down hardest on those who teach false doctrine or take away or add to His Word while affecting to teach in God's name, and He does this for a reason...

A small thing, but not a trivial detail: notice most websites advertising themselves with the term 'KJV-only' or some similar term are actually websites promoting the corrupt manuscripts? One notices this early on when one begins to look into these issues. This is deception; the kind of deception you get from establishment Christianity on this issue all the time. Often these sites quote the Word of God in effect against the Word of God. This borders on blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The fact is establishment Christianity can't make any real arguments for their corrupt manuscripts and deadly versions based on them unless they are being sophistical and dishonest and arguing against strawmen and all the rest of it. They are defending the devil, and when you defend the devil you can't argue from truth. I have no sympathy for them. At this point they've been disabused enough about their false claims and beliefs that they no longer have any excuse.

James White busted

A couple of weeks ago *liberal theologian and anti-traditional text, anti-King James Version debater James White threw a fit saying I'd misquoted him when I'd said he said, in so many words, "only ordained clerics should have opinions about manuscript issues"... He demanded a retraction (he's very, very sensitive and defensive about being exposed as a Romanist-like cleric, but then again when you defend the devil and the Vatican's favorite manuscripts, and the [per]versions based on them one would be a bit defensive on that point, most likely). My retraction was to point to an email I'd written at the time which he'd posted on his own website where I alluded to his statement (it turned out he'd said, in so many words, only 'specialists' should have opinions about manuscript issues).

I couldn't find the actual statement(s) when they were demanded by his followers. So here it is. Of course he'd written it on his very own site (which he knew and silently kept to himself.)

But once again, as I explained on the Dividing Line, none of these men [he refers to the Westminster divines (of the 1600s variety)] are overly relevant witnesses today for the simple reason that any argument they would have made was not based upon any meaningful textual foundation in comparison to what is available to us today [i.e. Christians didn't have the Word of God until the spiritualists/atheists of the 19th century 'discovered' it and declared what the Word of God is to be]. Further, I have to wonder: is there something wrong in noting that textual criticism is a specialized field and that those who have never prepared to discuss it might not be in a real good position to offer weighty opinions on it?

Note the last sentence. (As if, by the way, as was pointed out to this 'Dr.' on the Puritan Board, he has never met a specialist who disagreed with him regarding his precious devil/Vatican manuscripts (Dr. Theodore Letis, for one example, but Edward Hills, Burgon, etc., as well). For a person who crows about logic and critical thinking and non-fallacious rhetoric as much as this boy does you'd think he'd be a little bit sharper in these areas. But he defends the devil, so he's an idiot foundationally to begin with.)

He goes on to say:

If we recognize that it would be better to be John Owen than Dave Hunt on theology, why is it that everybody's opinion on textual critical matters, even if they are not particularly trained in that area, are "equal"? Isn't this the reverse of giving particular theological weight to a theological statement made by a textual critic?

Simply because it is a gift of the Holy Spirit to be able to discern the true, whole, and pure voice of the Shepherd. It is not a gift of scholarship. And when default Romanist priests like you defile the Word of God, redact, excise, re-write and generally mutilate it, God's own - who have the Spirit of discernment and a rather strong inclination (also given by the Spirit) to defend God's Word - kind of take exception to it. But you grasp this, don't you? This is why you don't care if God's own know what you're up to and you only work to deceive those who you are able to deceive (if they are God's own they won't be deceived forever). This is why, for instance, you continue to say your opponents on this issue are arguing solely for the King James Version rather than the traditional text, from which all the great and godly Reformation translations of the Word of God were made and that changed the world. You can't give up this strawman (nor can your hapless followers) because then you'd be seen to be what you are: a default Roman Beast priest (maybe you even fantasize about being a Jesuit?) defending the devil and his (and the Vatican's) poisonous manuscripts against the whole and pure Word of God as it is only found in the traditional text and from which the Authorized Version of 1611 (which you hate like a Jesuit hates the very Word of God itself) is the culmination and crown in the line of inspired English translation...

Notice also these anti-traditional text, anti-KJV 'scholars' don't have, and have never had, the talent or inspiration to translate the Word of God in any way that isn't a total parasitic, plagiaristic clown act on the King James Version itself. They, like Muslims with their Koran that draws from the Old and New Testaments while denying all the truth of the Old and New Testaments, want the reflected light of the sun to illuminate their moon, so that you will think their moon (NASB, NIV, ESV, et al) is generating its own light.

*Other than his liberal approach in disdaining the traditional text of the Word of God and his vain and prideful demand to tell God what His Word is rather than accept the traditional text preserved by the Holy Spirit Himself, and his liberal tolerance for and desire to effect the continual editing and 'changing' of the Word of god, he plays the liberal theologian's game of claiming to respect something then proceeding to undermine that very same thing elsewhere. I.e., in so many words: "I have great admiration for the King James Version and its place in the history of English speaking peoples in general and Christians in particular..." - then - "The fact is, the KJV is full of mistakes [their filthiest lie, and the main piece of devil's propaganda they want to instill in any who come under their influence] and bizarre renderings [bizarre if you're too shallow to learn to read anything of greater depth than the latest Christian Bookstore bestseller] and is - and this is just a fact - based on manuscripts that are of poor quality to say the least [the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts the KJV is based on are the traditional text, the very text preserved by the Holy Spirit for God's elect]. And did you know, by the way, that King James himself, who called for the Authorized Version to be made, was a homosexual pedophile and sodomized little boys? Oh, yes, this is a fact of history... [if your source for this history is modern day anti-KJV propagandists who smear anything to do with God's whole and pure Word the very same way Jesuits smeared and lied about the heroic Reformers]" This is similar to a Norman Shepherd or N. T. Wright saying "I fully hold to justification by faith alone." Then, 200 pages later in the same book: "Of course it is naive to think that a faith that justifies is not accompanied by..." or some such qualification. This is the long-standing practice of liberal theologians. They are sophistical and dishonest because basically they have no standard of truth to hold to because they ultimately don't recognize any standard for truth when they deny the ultimate standard: the pure and whole Word of God. To them, the Word of God doesn't exist pure and whole. It is something they determine the content of. Quite a standard...

How did this quote slip through...?

A quote from Warfield that should shock high church Reformed into some degree of biblical understanding but probably won't. (High church Reformed, not to mention others either wholly given over to the Beast, or merely keeping a little of the fat and darkness of the Beast still on their plate):

“Previously, men had looked to the Church for all the trustworthy knowledge of God obtainable, and as well for all the communications of grace accessible. Calvin taught them that neither function has been committed to the Church, but God the Holy Spirit has retained both in His own hands and confers both knowledge of God and communion with God on whom He will.” - B. B. Warfield

Profound Vos passage, touching on the practical level of pure religion

“Because Reformed theology took hold of the Scriptures in their deepest root idea, it was in a position to work through them more fully from this central point and to let each part of their content come to its own. This root idea which served as the key to unlock the rich treasuries of the Scriptures was the preeminence of God’s glory in the consideration of all that has been created. All other explanations of the difference between the Lutheran and the Reformed traditions in the end again come down to this, that the former begins with man and the latter with God. God does not exist because of man, but man because of God. This is what is written at the entrance of the temple of Reformed theology. When this principle is applied to man and his relationship to God, it immediately divides into three parts:

1. All of man’s work has to rest on an antecedent work of God;

2. In all of his works man has to show forth God’s image and be a means for the revelation of God’s virtues;

3. The latter should not occur unconsciously or passively, but the revelation of God’s virtues must proceed by way of understanding and will and by way of the conscious life, and actively come to external expression.

We hope to show how this threefold demand has been reckoned with precisely in the doctrine of the covenant.”

- Geerhardus Vos, Doctrine of the Covenant in Reformed Theology

The 3 Pillars of the Faith

THE 3 PILLARS OF THE FAITH:

1. The engrafted Word. (Jam. 1:21)

2. Sound doctrine. (2 Tim. 4:3; Is. 28:9)

3. Exercising oneself unto godliness. (1 Tim. 4:7)

Everything else is playing church and screwing around with vain talk and moralizing.

Establishment Christianity vs. God's remnant

God always has His remnant.

The devil always has his establishment Christianity.

Establishment: A controlling group in a given field of activity.

The Beast is establishment Christianity. It is not constrained to one branch of the faith. Today it has been healed of its deadly wound given it by the heroic Reformers and Christians of the 16th and 17th centuries, the deadly wound it received when it was the establishment church called the Roman Catholic Beast, and is now reborn in the establishment Protestant churches. It still exists in the dead Roman Catholic church, but it is alive and active today in the establishment Protestant denominations and churches. (For the record, the Eastern Orthodox church has never been historical enough on the world stage to merit much attention from the devil, other than to be crushed by Islam and during the atheistic anti-Christ tyranny of communism. That it was so easily crushable says enough about its inner strength and purity in holding to the Word of God in faith and practice.)

But God always has His remnant. Something the Beast and his followers can't do anything about.

God's remnant don't mock the Word of God, and find any counterfeit of it to be abomination.

Establishment Christianity embraces all counterfeit of the Word of God.

God's remnant protect the Word of God and see to it that it survives and is available for God's own, when God is ready for them to come into it. God's remnant have the Holy Spirit to discern God's Word and to desire to protect it. The traditional text of the Word of God, which was shepherded by God's remnant through history, through deadly and vicious persecution inflicted by the devil and his followers in establishment Christianity, exists today. It is the traditional text that is the foundation of the Authorized Version of 1611 known as the King James Version today, and it is the foundation of every other Reformation translation that spread through the world and changed the world.

The devil and his establishment Christianity, like pouring poison into a village well, inserted the devil's manuscripts into the world in the 19th century. Deadly Alexandrian manuscripts, long recognize as purely corrupt and pure satanic poison by God's people from the beginning of their existence, were made the foundation of new versions and are the foundation of EVERY modern version of what is passing for the Word of God today.

Do you follow the Beast, Christian?

Do you value the whole and pure Word of God?

Can you discern the difference between the Beast's counterfeit 'Word of God' and the real thing? Have you been duped merely from your own laziness?

If you posses and use a modern version, Christian, you are following the Beast church. And if you value the words of modern day 'scholars' who lecture you on what is and isn't the Word of God and they tell you that the modern versions based on the corrupt Alexandrian manuscripts are the Word of God (versions such as the NASB, ESV, NIV, TNIV, NLT, NRSV, HCSV, and literally every other version that has appeared since the late 19th century) then you are listening to followers of the Beast.

God's remnant know the voice of the Shepherd and don't need a 'scholar' to tell them the difference between the voice of the Shepherd and the deadly siren call of the devil himself.

Separate yourself unto the Word of God, Christian. The whole and pure traditional text Word of God. Don't reverence man and the words of man. Fear only God, it is the beginning of wisdom.

The signature of God's remnant

The very signature of God's remnant throughout history is and always has been the Holy Spirit given ability to recognize and value, and desire to keep, and protect, and defend - and spread and evangelize - the traditional text of the Word of God, against all persecution and assaults and temptations of the devil and the devil's anti-Christian forces. The role of establishment Christianity, on the other hand, in the past and today, is to be duped (and in many cases to be consciously and willfully duped) into accepting and pushing the devil's corrupt manuscripts. God's remnant are used by God to keep His Word - whole and pure - available for His own to come into saving knowledge of. Thank God for the sacrifice of the men and women and children of God who gave their lives - and were willing to sacrifice their very lives - for the shepherding of the whole and pure Word of God through time (culminating in the great traditional text Reformation translations that spread throughout the world and changed the world) for the benefit of fellow and future Christians. Shame on establishment Christianity that so easily gives up the whole and pure Word of God for a putrid bowl of the devil's porridge concocted by spiritualists and atheists of the 19th century and spread via the deadly perversions known as the NIV/NASB/ESV/NRSV/NLT/TNIV (etc.) into the innocent minds and hearts of Christians wherever the fear of man is stronger than the fear of God and establishment Christianity has its way. God's own know the voice of the Shepherd, and that voice is heard for the English-speaking world today in the whole and pure traditional text Authorized Version of 1611 known also as the King James Version. I thank God it exists and that I don't have to rely on vain and prideful establishment Christianity telling me what the Word of God is. God never meant for it to be that way, so He has ALWAYS made his whole and pure Word available for His own in all eras of the history of redemption. Thank God, and amen.

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ADDENDUM: Because I can hear the establishment Christians out there with their mocking I'll answer them: they are saying: "But what could be more 'establishment Christianity' than the King of England directing scores of church leaders and scholars to produce the Authorized Version?"

Well, establishment Christians, here's your answer: establishment Christianity was represented in the early 1600s by something called the Roman Catholic Beast church. The Reformation itself was a remnant Christianity movement, and its main objective was to bring the precious Word of God into the light of day, which began in a big way with Tyndale. The AV 1611 was the culmination of all that effort and sacrifice. It was a remnant Christianity effort AGAINST establishment Christianity. Establishment Christianity today naturally despises the AV 1611 and naturally is sympathetic to the satanic and Roman Catholic origins and corruptions of the Westcott and Hort text which establishment Christianity bases their perverted 'bibles' on today. No surprises.

Listen to this pro-devil's manuscripts papist devil-priest

Expert knowledge versus uneducated opinion. [...] The debate about Bible versions is no different. There is a divide between scholarly people who can read Hebrew and Greek, who have studied theology and biblical archaeology and textual criticism all their lives, and a group of vocal individuals who do not have the scholarship background to be making the claims they do.

Hold your nose, and go here.

As if being able to discern the voice of the Shepherd vs. the croak of the devil is a matter of 'scholarship.' This devil-priest makes no mention of the Spirit of discernment, the Holy Spirit Himself. Why should he? The very fact that he champions the Westcott and Hort, Alexandrian devil's manuscripts (and the NIV, NASB, ESV, NRSV, NLT, TNIV, et al. [per]versions based on them) shows he's an unregenerate fool. Yet he self-identifies as Christian and has a desire to 'teach.' Ahh, isn't that sweet...

Look what else this sweet boy (scholar) wrote:

Then they say "there was a lesbian on the translation committee of the NIV". Who ‘authorized’ the Authorized Version? It was not God, but a homosexual paedophile king who sodomised little boys — King James I of England.

Yeah, good scholarship there. He read his anti-James I sources rigorously. See how we're back to the same forces facing each other as at the Reformation? Establishment Christianity vs. God's remnant. The former burning to defile and destroy the Word of God, the latter standing our ground to defend the Word of God -- to the death. Only because of the heroic efforts and sacrifices of our brothers and sisters back in the 1500s and 1600s these devils don't have the power of the state over us. Though they'll just band together with the atheists in time to accomplish that. A natural alliance.

The famine of the end time

The famine of the end times (a famine for the Word of God) has come to the point where the traditional text (what the Word of God is) is now seen as being a threat to one's allegiance to the world and to the fear (and reverence) of man. If one abandons the academically constructed and redacted work-in-progress 'newly-discovered' text for the traditional text one is making a statement about where one's allegiance lies: with God or with man. To give up the world, the good opinion of the world, and the fear of man is too much obviously for many if not most who self-identify as Christian (especially if they have academic vanity or institutional worldly vanity and pride to protect, or if they are just weak in being afraid to separate themselves from the good opinion of the world).

Look at the underlying arrogance, prideful, vain - Satanic - arrogance of a modern self-identified Christian saying he has the Word of God, and nobody prior to the spiritualist/atheist movements of the 19th century had the true Word of God. Think about that. Think about how when one of them who affects to value orthodox doctrine is cornered with the fact that, for instance, his 'bible' doesn't match the Bible used in the great confessions of faith and other doctrinal documents drawn up by men he affects today to admire and he responds by saying something as inane as: "Well, but they didn't even bother to carry out a rigorous and correct investigation as to what the correct textual readings are. They didn't have that ability." I.e., they didn't have the Word of God, or even discernment, or even enough valuation to even be awake to it all. God didn't give them the Word of God like He gave it to the spiritualists/atheists of the 19th century and their wide-eyed followers ever since.

To separate yourself unto the Gospel is to give up your allegiance to the world and to give up your fear (and reverence) of man and adopt solely the fear (and reverence) of God. To deny the traditional text and give your allegiance (and worse: to push) the man-made corrupt texts (while in many if not most cases literally mocking the traditional text and Christians who fear only God and have the discernment to know the truth about His Word and who act on it against all the forces of the world and man and the devil) is to place yourself with the forces active in bringing about the famine of the end time: a famine for the Word of God.

Addendum: It's about what you truly value. You give yourself away when you accept an incomplete and re-written Bible.

A person who truly values the symphonies of Mozart would move heaven and earth to acquire the complete 41st symphony if currently it is the fashion for all peformances and recordings of it to be based on academically reconstructed scores that leave out parts and rewrite parts. This is because the person VALUES the work of Mozart.

A person who accepts a Bible that has been 'reconstructed' and that leaves out parts and rewrites other parts when the real thing that has been in the possession of the remnant of God in all eras of the plan of redemption exists simply doesn't VALUE the Bible.

It's a regeneration issue.

You have yet to humble yourself to what is above you. You still demand to dictate to God what His Word is.

Sharpen your discernment over there in the Highlands...

I do not believe that Dr. White is an ENEMY of the AV.

I would just say that your belief that White is not literally against the AV is not correct. He, and so many like him, mocks it and anybody who holds to it - or merely even just holds to the traditional text - as their Bible. (Think about that. The precious Word of God that is the saving Word for Christians and he mocks it and giggles as he talks about how dumb Christians are who see the pure and whole Word of God in it and in the traditional text). Listen to him and read him on the subject where he is writing more informally. But even in his book on the subject he exalts in the liberal theologian's game of saying he respects something then proceeding to undermine it. White exalts in telling people the Authorized Version has 'mistakes' and in so many words can't be trusted as the Word of God. This is all they have to do to get the devilish effect they are looking to get. They want people to have it in their mind that the pure and whole Word of God doesn't exist. This was the entire motive of Westcott and Hort and the other atheist 'theologians' and scholars in the 19th century who did the devil's bidding in springing the corrupt manuscripts on a then, apparently, sleeping Christendom.

You can say White and his type were duped as kids and they are now too vain and prideful to admit they've been duped, but I don't think that's the case. White is consciously devilish on this subject. He knows enough to know better. He's chosen to be a blatant false teacher.

I admit my style in taking on these strongholds and individuals is looser than what is the more accepted precedures and styles within a formal church context, but...so what. God's own are direct and bold. I don't live in the Village of Morality where so many Christians make their home, and where criticism of their own is considered so out-of- bounds. I'm out on the Way. I know the importance of having the whole and pure Word of God which is only found in the traditional text, and which is what the KJV is a culmination translation of...

And remember: the corruption of the Word of God is *ongoing.* All these versions based on the corrupt manuscripts and the attitude they've engendered that the Word of God is something to be determined by humans is resulting in more and more brazen behaviour by the White's of the academic world and the translations committees and so on. The NASB is horrible enough with its deletions and corruptions of the Word of God, but the same 'scholars' who gave us it have given the world the TNIV and worse. This is their real program: the continual corruption by degree of the Word of God.

This is the famine of the end time: it is a famine for the Word of God; and White and others like him are doing the devil's bidding energetically in carrying out this corruption of the Word of God.

Westcott and Hort Shorter Catechism (preview)

Q. 1. What is the chief end of man?
A. Man’s chief end is to glorify him, and to enjoy him forever.

Q. 2. What rule hath he who is has given to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy who is who him?
A. The Word of him, which is contained in the writings of the spiritual masters book, is the only rule to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy who is him.

Q. 3. [Not in the earliest manuscripts.]

Q. 4. What is he?
A. Who is a Spirit, infinite, eternal, and unchangeable, in him; being, wisdom, power, holiness, justice, goodness, and truth.

Q. 5. Are there more Gods than one?
A. There is; but he only, the living and true Gods.

Q. 6. How many persons are there in the Godhead?
A. There are three persons in the Godhead: the Father, he, and his Holy Ghost; and he who are one God, the same substance, equal through power and glory.

James White says: "I wholly endorse this newly discovered manuscript of the Westminster Shorter Catechism as magisterially reconstructed by Westcott and Hort. Christian brothers and sisters will be duly edified by finally being able to read and study the true catechism as the Westminster divines intended it to be."

True Sword

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Common questions from the James White school...

Just out of curiosity, what was the inspired translation prior to the 1611 King James Version? Was there one? If so, had all inspired translations fallen out of existence by the time the KJV was translated? Was there ever an inspired translation in nearly 1600 years prior to the KJV? Was the KJV the FIRST inspired translation? If there was an inspired translation(s) prior to the 1611 KJV, would someone be reading an inspired version of the Bible if they read from one of those inspired (pre-KJV) translations today? Do people who speak other languages have inspired versions in their languages as well, or do they have to learn English before they can really read the Bible? What or who let you know that the KJV is THE inspired version versus other translations? Why did you settle on the KJV?

Regards,

In Christ,

D. P.

Any translation based on the traditional text (i.e. any translation that doesn't, just for instance, delete and change the Word of God based on the demands of man and the world and the devil) will be a good, useful translation if it is faithful to the Word of God in terms of accuracy.

Prior to the AV 1611 there were several English Bibles that were translated from the traditional text and were good translations. They were based on Tyndale's inspired efforts and led up to and culminated in the AV (Tyndale who gave his life for the cause of the Word of God, unlike Westcott and Hort who merely joined a few spiritualist societies and joked up their atheism to the in crowd of their day). After the AV 1611 there have been exactly zero (NKJV's deceptions aside). Why? Obviously Christians and pseudo Christians didn't think there needed to be any. Until the 19th century when things had been softened up enough that the liberals and atheists became brazen enough to spring the corrupt manuscripts on the world. The devil's had his victory - ongoing because the corruption is ongong - ever since. And the vanity and pride in Christians following along with the devil's plan keep them from admitting they've been duped by the devil. In some cases they are consciously doing the work of the devil.

Remember that the Reformation itself was bringing light to a world that had been submerged for centuries in Romanist darkness. Part of this bringing of light - the main part - was the making of the Word of God available to the world. You ask what was the inspired translation (etc.) prior to the AV 1611: start where you like, the first efforts to translate the traditional text into the vernacular. That process for English speaking Christians culminated in the AV 1611.

This question you ask is directly from the James White school: "Do people who speak other languages have inspired versions in their languages as well, or do they have to learn English before they can really read the Bible?" They have the traditional text to translate from just as English speaking Christians have. All the great Reformation era Bibles were translations from the traditional text. Many of them hold positions in the literature and history of the language of their respective nations similar to what the AV 1611 (King James Version) holds in the history and literature of the English language. The Holy Spirit plays a role in this. No doubt.

"What or who let you know that the KJV is THE inspired version versus other translations? Why did you settle on the KJV?" Hmm. How do I know Jesus is God? The Spirit gives ability to know Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth and gives discernment. And it is at this point that I'm really just going to have to disabuse you of the main tenet of the James White school of anti-KJVism you are expressing here: it is about the manuscripts. If you can't handle the language of the King James Version, fine. But when you turn to an easier-reading version the problem is, due to the work of the devil in the 19th century and his followers ever since, you are turning to a version that is based on corrupt manuscripts. You are not reading a Bible translated from the traditional text. You're reading a version the devil wants you to read. A mutilated, corrupt version. You're reading a version the Vatican wants you to read as well.

The Holy Spirit gives God's own the ability to hear the voice of the Shepherd. We know the true from the false. God sees to it that the true, the whole and pure Word of God, will always exist until the return of the King, but God doesn't say the whole and pure Word of God will be the most numerous in terms of versions and availability. In fact, God says there will be a famine in the end time, and not a famine for food, but a famine for the Word of God. And it will increase. We are seeing this play out. But God's own know the whole and pure Word of God exists in the traditional text and any good and accurate translation made from it, and the King James Version, for English speaking peoples, happens to be not only translated from the traditional text but is the culmination, the crown, of that line of inspired English translation of the Word of God. It's a rather remarkable gift from God to His people; and compared to the versions (perversions) - NIV, TNIV, NLT, NASB, ESV, et al. - based on the corrupt manuscripts, the AV 1611 is like a sword and a shield handed down directly from the Temple of God in heaven itself...

Noise and nonsense...meanwhile...the Kingdom exists

If all the noise and nonsense that goes on among Christians on the internet seems empty and ridiculous and makes you think: what is the point, who here has a vision of eternity and death and sanctification and glorification and etc.?

What is going on is the particular emotional and intellectual things triggered by being in the mix of religion in general.

Yet, underneath it all (all the noise and nonsense) when a person is called and regenerated that is the main thing. That is a threshold that can't be fallen back through. Individuals are being called out of the world and into the Kingdom. They may not understand it all to the degree a person who buries themselves in theology and the Bible might, but that's not necessary.

There IS a spiritual war that takes place too, and that gets mixed in with it all (stoking the emotional fires and misfires and indulging in lower, pleasurable contention and debate and accusing and what not), but it is often real and necessary nevertheless.

Defending the pure and whole Word of God is necessary, for instance.

But the main thing is regeneration and the slow and steady developing of understanding and of faith. It goes on. And it goes on in time in ways we can't perceive. Recurrence, or living time. People who may not be called now may be in another part of their time. That kind of thing. Your own calling may play a role in that, by you somehow influencing others in your time, maybe not even directly, but in some way.

(Consult Tertullian on 'recurrence.' It's just a way to say that God can act in time in a way we can't perceive, because God is in eternity and above the linear, birth-to-death time of individuals. The Holy Spirit can apply regeneration to an individual at any point in the linear birth-to-death timeline of that individual's life. We can't see how that can be, yet with God all things are possible. God acts from eternity. This is not an argument for univeralism or second chance-ism, though I know some pugilists will insist it is, so be it. It's not the main point of this post.)

The main thing here is there's a simplicity to the faith that can be recovered. And built on. And the noise and nonsense isn't as destructive as it seems. It's just shadows and wind over the landscape. Christians are often looking for a worldly conformity (of church polity or ritual or whatever) which isn't the faith. The Kingdom of God exists foundationally here and now and is universal and the same for all who are called and regenerated into it. The noise and nonsense doesn't effect it...

From the comments bag

"Have fun in hell, witch."

By their fruits ye shall know them.

Oh, if you can't take it stop mocking Christians who commit the grave sin of valuing the traditional text and the AV1611...and take exception to the mutilation of the Word of God. Check your own fruits, pilgrim...

For the record my battle with the Whites of the internet world began when I got plastered with mocking the first time I wrote a post about how I approach the Bible in terms of complete readings. I was an innocent regarding how malevolent the seminary types were towards Christians who have an innocent approach to the faith. It's because they get convicted by their own shallowness. So be it. They're juvenile and shallow, that's not my problem. I didn't force them to play video games (or the equivalent activity for their era) their entire formative years...

The real thing, the corrupt, and the fakes - discern, Christian

[This is a comment from another site...] This is all true until you come to the 19th century and adoption by scholars of the Alexandrian manuscripts put together by, basically, atheists. This is a break. The deletions, the changes in wording regarding the divinity of Jesus, etc., the corruptions are not just different from the KJV and underlying manuscripts, but they are different from the line of manuscripts, the traditional text, that culminated in, not just the KJV, but all the great and godly Reformation translations that changed the world. And that traditional text was always in the possession of God's remnant even in the darkest times of antichristian power.

The Holy Spirit preserves the real thing, whole and pure, and the regenerated Christian has the ability to see it, and also to see the corrupted versions (just as a regenerated Christian is able to see fakes like the Book of Mormon or the Koran). God doesn't say no fakes or corrupted versions will exist, but He does say the real thing WILL exist, for His own who are able to discern it.

Because this subject (all the manuscript issues) affords so many rabbit trails for scholars who love sophistry more than truth, and who love to dictate to God's Word more than they love to engage and receive from God's Word humbly these scholars are very loathe to give up their toy.

Finally, you say: "God did not drop His Word from heaven in some well-protected golden box" In a real way I believe He did. I believe in supernatural preservation. I also believe a regenerated Christian will know the real thing from a corrupted version of it. In my pre-Christian days this subject matter would come up regarding the Homeric epics. Great, inspired works that have mysterious authorship. I could see then that these works were shepherded into time by 'higher influences' or forces, if you will. Including the final form they attained at the hands of 'editors.' No human editor had a hand in their final form in terms of meaning and inspiration and form and what not. No human is capable of that. The same with the Bible. Yet humans *can* corrupt the Bible, and delete and change wordings, and the atheistic, of whatever degree, *love* doing that.

No, when talking of scholars, an Erasmus was not in the same category as a Westcott and Hort. Anyone who can't see that, who can't see how the Holy Spirit works in these matters, will of course 'buy' the corrupt manuscripts as being equal with the traditional text which is the Word of God, and will easily and blithely say things such as "well, decisions were made by scholars regarding the traditional text" etc., etc., as if the two things are equal. As if, for instance, the time of the canon coming into final form in the early centuries of the first millenium of this era, by the guiding hand of the Holy Spirit, is the same process that gave us the 19th century scholars and their *newly discovered* *better* manuscripts. A regenrated Christian has the ability to discern the truth in such things, and the 19th century scholars and their manuscripts stink. Stink to high heaven.

Two useful sites (and a page) on the KJV issues

Dr. Joel R. Beeke's 13 Reasons for Retaining the KJV (I see he's retitled it to 'Practical Reasons' - I mean, I don't recall it titled that the last time I looked at it, but maybe it was)...

No, it's not a Calvinist site, but this is a good, low-volume defense of the traditional text and the only translation available based on it, the KJV (no, the NKJV doesn't count)...

Yes, this one has been mocked by your leader, but so what? (Remember, your leader will mock anything, especially that which shows up his conceits and biases...) Read and learn. Better yet get ye some discernment: engage the Word of God in a dedicated manner, with a humble spirit and a contrite heart...

More from James White

Now it all makes sense. Michael Dries, the KJV Onlyist who melted down on the Puritan Board back in March, is c.t., i.e., owner/writer of Plain Path Puritan.

White is a pure devil on this subject. He will, until hell freezes over, call anybody who exposes the corrupt manuscripts he champions "KJV-onlists". The boy can't help himself. If he doesn't do this he is put in the position of defending the devil. He willingly does defend the devil, but he doesn't want to be seen in public doing it. He's a wicked soul.

Now it all makes sense, including the desperate dishonesty, the cultic denial of salvation to anyone who rejects KJV Onlyism, etc.

I take on those who effect to teach in God's name and push the devil's manuscripts on unknowing Christians.

I simply didn't make the connection in reading his one article. Upon being challenged to document his "quotation," he has melted down yet again (John 8:44, Rev. 21:8, KJV). Unable to back up his libelous falsehood, he has instead decided to multiply it repeatedly by falsely attributing all sorts of inane things to me. Read it for yourself. Those who already reject KJV Onlyism for the error it is should just shake their heads at this kind of behavior.

Yes, all you followers, just listen to the soothing tones of your cult leader. All those evil people who would question him and the corrupt manuscripts... And I quoted from his own website the fact that he stated what I said he stated. He's banking on the fact that readers of his blog won't go there to read it. He plays the shameless liberal game of fooling a percentage of his audience despite knowing that the rest of his audience knows what he is engaging in.

But you know who should be seeking Mr. Dries' repentance and correction? His fellow KJV Onlyists. This kind of outrageous behavior gives them all a black eye. Of course, Mr. Dries knows the phone number to the Dividing Line. He will not call. He knows he cannot back up his lies, so he will just sit behind his keyboard trying to think up new ways to disturb the peace of the church and attack the brethren. The elders of his church should be most wary. I have seen this kind of zealot split more than one fellowship.

This creep sounds like a Roman Catholic priest circa 1500s.

Quick Update: I see now, looking around a bit on his blog, that Mr. Dries has been banned not only from Team Pyro

Good God!

but by Dave Armstrong as well. That says a lot.

Yes, it certainly does. It says I'm not sympathetic to Roman Catholic sophist apologists. He's also easy to make fun of, like you are.

And if you scroll down a ways you will find a graphic with Doug Wilson on one side and centuri0n on the other. Anyone who has Doug Wilson and centuri0n in a graphic about getting to the celestial city is obviously quite disturbed. Time to stay as far away from him as is humanly possible,

Well, that would be the iMonk and Centurion. And the graphic is dead on. For the record, the language and geography is from Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress. I'm not suprised you missed that.

though I confess, I would love to hear an attempted explanation of why so many of the Puritans hated the KJV,

Considering the Geneva is as much Tyndale as the AV1611, it probably had to do with the notes in the Geneva they were wedded to. Do some reading maybe. It's called history.

or why Calvin corrected the TR, etc.

Yet the Geneva translation was based on the traditional text, as were all the great Reformation translations (including the Bible used in Protestant churches of Calvin's homeland).

But instead, I press on. Writing a chapter on "pandering to pluralism" right now. Must get it done in a matter of hours.

Succumbing to devilism would be a more honest topic for you. Something you really know about.

Response to comments in post below (this issue is essential to defending the faith, and God's elect are going to expose you to the end, sorry)

Oh, little Westscott and Hort followers, aren't we sensitive on this subject?

Look at this post on White's blog:

http://www.aomin.org/index.php?itemid=1294&catid=6

I was writing as mdries. Now look at this sentence in the midst of the email he quotes:

"By the way, your recent statement that only specialists should have opinions regarding manuscript issues was very Roman Catholic of you, hence my opening above [I had called him devil-priest]."

Notice White didn't take exception to me saying that in the real time of the exchange. That's because he knew he stated it. Whether it was on the Puritan Board or his own site I don't recall, but he did state it. Since time has passed now he thinks he can get away with denying saying such a thing. He's a dishonest boy.

Ah, you've all been exposed! You hold to the devil's manuscripts. And since this shows your lack of discernment and since you are as vain and prideful as the devil you won't ever back down! You'll defend the devil's corrupt manuscripts to the grave. You desperately demonize anybody who exposes your precious Roman Catholic manuscripts (kind of like Counter-Reformation Jesuits used to demonize the Reformers -- "Calvin confessed to a priest he was a bugger! yes, and that he had a demon in him! The priest wrote a book about it!")

I said it before, if any of you devil's water-boys had tried to push your corrupt manuscripts on a Calvin back in the day he'd have pinned a note on your collar (figuring you were somewhat challenged mentally) and buy you safe passage home...to the Vatican. Where your corrupt manuscripts come from.

Sorry, boys and girls, this is just too serious and foundational a matter. The devil has been corrupting the Word of God from the Garden. His greatest triumph was springing Satanicus/Vaticanus on a sleeping Christendom in the 19th century -- no shots fired. The only problem is: you can't fool God's elect. We know the voice of the Shepherd. And we know God's Word is preserved supernaturally. Yes, we're innocents like that. We actually believe what the Bible says. And when you push 'bibles' that delete the Word of God and change it and corrupt it a thousand different ways (ongoing corruption, by the way) we kind of take exception to it. Yes, I know it's difficult to take when you are being out-flanked on your right. But that's going to happen when you're carrying water for the devil, no matter what you self-identify as...

Update: It may seem petty and typical internet noise (I said
this after you said this, and you are wrong, and...),
but this really is a serious, foundational subject, to say the least.
It's not just that modern versions based on the
corrupt manuscripts are changed to the extent that
they are now, but the corruption is *ongoing.* It's
continuous. Each new edition that comes out is more
and more brazen in getting away from the real thing.

So, it seems like a typically petty internet fight, yet it's about really
the most foundational thing of all (again, to say the least) so it's worth
getting in the fight over... And the seminary boys who have been taught to *correct* the Word of God, and the liberals who now exhalt in being able to change the Word of God just aren't going to get a free pass from God's elect. The Holy Spirit in us won't allow us to give you a free pass.

Anti-KJV crusader James White strikes out again...

I was reading James "anti-KJV" White's blog and came across this passage:

"A person with money becomes a little god, shaping and making his own reality, his own future, or so he thinks. It is that kind of love of money that is a root, (not the root as the KJV puts it) of all sorts of evil."

The little swipe at the KJV. The passage in question is 1 Timothy 6:10. So I did some research to see if the KJV truly is a mistranslation here. (Because frankly on the surface it's one of those that makes you think it would be hard to defend the KJV.) I found this page:

The guy even uses James White as a foil for explaining the KJV rendering of that verse. It turns out there is no article ('the' or 'a') before root in that verse, and the putting there of one is not only wholly legitimate but the one the KJV put there was not without precedent and legitimacy as a rendering. Read a little bit of the guy's explanation and you see how much deception comes out of the anti-KJV camp...

They seem to have adopted the Muslim's approach that lying to Christians is OK if it is done to further their cause...

These self-identified Calvinists who push the corrupt, new age, Alexandrian, Roman Catholic, devil manuscripts are solely in the Reformed camp to do just that. The devil knows, and his followers know, that they can do a thousand times more damage to the Kingdom of God by pushing the corrupt manuscripts onto unknowing Christians than they can by attacking sound doctrine (it just buys them time, though, until their inevitable destruction in eternal hellfire). So they have no problem espousing Calvinist doctrine. It's their cover to do what they are really in the camp of believers to do: insert the devil's manuscripts. Scratch these types and you find Roman Catholics under the surface. When they get 'heated' they can't help themselves but to sound like Roman devil-priests, which has been documented in James White's case ("People who aren't specialists shouldn't have opinions about the manuscripts")...

Internet edition of Boston's book Human Nature in its Fourfold State

Here is, apparently, the entire Boston work Human Nature in its Fourfold State. And here are some other books from the same site.